Well, I was reading this Article on the Cleveland.com page about A plaza receiving this mysterious package so they had to evacuate being that it could of been a bomb. I read the article and then the comments and of course the opinionated ass Ohioans had to say something that had nothing to do with the article. It had something to do with abortions and how its murder. Well I asked a random Christian on this one site I was on, and I knew I shouldn’t had but he had this to say…
All Atheists think its okay for people to have abortion’s, that’s murder it just happens in the womb -A confused, simple-minded Christian.
My thing is, I don’t completely understand the whole concept with Christians think Atheists don’t have morals or don’t believe in murder or what have you. I have a few questions I would like to get out there. Suppose the person doing the Abortion was a Christian? What if the person doing the Abortion was an Atheist? What will others think about that if came to knowing what that person stood behind or believed in? Will other Christians find it more evil if it was an Atheist who done the procedure? Or, will they find the Christian lost and confused because he don’t realize what they have done?
Also, it seems as if regardless of the circumstances as far as what a woman do with her body is concerned that it doesn’t matter if the baby is doing more harm than good its still murder. It looks like to me that well if the baby is dying and isn’t going to make it and she has to get aborted some/most Christians still feel that they should give it a chance and nothing else matters to them even if the mother die having it, as long as that baby is trying to make it, the mother had her chance at life. Why is it such a big issue is what I’m trying to figure out. I’m still a bit confused about what all this means to a Christian, especially who walk around handing out pamphlets and starting anti-abortion raids.
Pro-life/Pro-Choice, what really is the difference, besides the fact that one is for it and one is against it? I don’t really know how to word this but, what if a Christian is for abortions, what does that mean? Are they still a Christian or no? See, I was forced to be a Christian but I never believed in God and never will and its not because I was forced to believe, its the fact that …well that’s another blog. Anyway, my thing is this, if a Christian supports abortions, what does that truly make them? I’m not talking about someone who is not a Christian but it may sound like I am because a lot would argue that that person isn’t a Christian at all to begin with. I’m speaking in hypothetical terms.
The fact that a lot of Christians believe Atheists fully support abortions, I’m not saying that its not true but my thing is my family is a Christian family whether they actually practice what they preach or not. My grandmother made me get an abortion when I got pregnant at a young age [the story behind how is not the point]. Being that she was my guardian and I was a minor, I had no choice. I could of ran away but she threw so many threats at me saying she was going to put me away or make up lies to have me put in jail I had to stay. What I’m trying to say is, being that she is a Christian and she made me get an abortion, does that make her the murderer or me? Does that make her the murderer or the licensed people who went through with it a murderer?
Since that day I had the abortion against my will I don’t regret it, don’t feel bad about it, I honestly don’t feel nothing about it really. Does that make me more of a what Christians call a “demon” than anything or no? My family hasn’t talked about it since it happened, the only time I think about that day is if I read about abortions or someone was talking about it other than that I don’t even think about the child I could of had. Besides an Atheist, what does that make me to you Christians? Did I murder my baby because I let my grandmother threats trap me into doing it or does that make her the murder? Is she still a Christian in your eyes?
I honestly don’t know what she would be but I know her and those like her in Christian’s eyes are something. Those who are pro-choice, what are your religions or whatever? What does the Bible say about that exactly? Eh, since we’re on that, those who are pro-life, what is your religions or whatever? If you’re a Christian, you’re basically doing what supposedly “God” is supposed to do. Basically who are you to judge when someone lives or die as far as someone having an abortion is concerned? Christians when someone pass away, what is the first thing most of you say to someone who is mourning? “It was their time to go” right? Well how do you not know that these abortions isn’t their time?
See I’m confused about a lot of shit and most of it will never be clear to me. You cannot be judgmental, pro-life and God too. See being that I was forced to go to church, I did occasionally paid attention and I’m not all that stupid. Its just some things isn’t adding up and 9 times out of 10 it never will.
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WELL UM, LETS SEE…NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG…SHIT JUS HAPPENS!
Shit just don’t happen! There’s always a reason and its stupid for you to even think like that. You’re an idiot.
To answer your blog, your grandmother is wrong. The End.
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You are the last person I would think who would take my blog as a joke James!
I asked questions and all this “Philip” person can think about is something he didn’t find correct well um, that’s not up to you now is it? Just like a typical Christian.
Asilee, just drop it. I’m a Christian and I understood very well what you meant. Don’t let him or others tell you what’s right or wrong!
Ok, but I didn’t even catch it to begin with so how can I drop it? That “Philip” person started it.
“See, I was forced to be a Christian but I never believed in God..”
no, you were not “forced to be a Christian”. you were forced to attend church, and whatever other external behaviour happened.
You were never a Christian. you cant be a Christian and not believe in God.
“What I’m trying to say is, being that she is a Christian and she made me get an abortion, does that make her the murderer or me?”
If there was nothing you could do about it, then the guilt is on her, not you.
Dont feel like you have to be pro-abortion, to feel better about what happened to you.
PS: God does not call us “not to judge”. That is a poorly translated part of the bible. The meaning is to not CONDEMN someone.
God calls us to judge right from wrong all the time. The point is, not to hate someone for doing wrong, but rather to help them know what they are doing is wrong, and why.
God Bless
Philip
-Sigh-
That was my whole point…duh! Gosh, it was put in my head that I was a Christian and that I should act and be one. If I were to tell my family I didn’t believe in this “GOD” do you know what would of happened to me? No you don’t. So I went along with it…I never said I was a Christian nor did I said I wasn’t a Christian that didn’t believe in God. I was forced and that’s all there is to it.
yes, you did say it.. please note that I used quotation marks “”, because I quoted what you said exactly
you may not have meant what you said… but that is what you said
I saw what you quoted and what you said were totally different…you’re basically putting words in my mouth telling me what I said I was and what I wasn’t…is that more clear to you Philip?
People are so worried about the minor crap and yet only a few people understood me without quoting something I said, I know what I said, I don’t need anyone to verify it or try to turn around it to something that isn’t true. There is no point in correcting something that’s not incorrect.
If you don’t understand what I was saying or try and understand where I’m coming from, please don’t waste your or my time.
I guess the only ones that will truly understand are other Atheists. What a shame…typical Christians…all they can think about is the error in someones ways.
That’s not true Asilee!!!!
Well minus you James…
Shuuuutttttt upppppp!!!!!!!
& You tell me that I have anger issues?!?!
Duuuuude, please shut up. You aren’t making no type of sense. Who are you to say what she is saying is wrong or right?!?!
I’m sorry but that didn’t make sense.
When we look at things from a Christian perspective, you should always look at the person and if in fact they live according to Christian doctrines, or traditional believes of the church that they belong to. I do not want to give you my opinion whether or not abortions are right or wrong. However, I will tell you this, Christian or atheist, no one has a heaven or hell to put you in. The Bible does not speak of abortions, but it does speak of love. As a Christians believer it is up to us to love regardless of a persons’ moral views of this world with hopes that people will in turn share that same love although our believes are different. It is not up to the Christian body to cast judgment on anyone. That is a rule that is found in the New Testament of the Bible. If you read the New Testament of the Bible and pray for an understanding, I can guarantee that you will notice the difference between religion and religious. In the United States of America, there are very few religious people. However, there are many religions that do not live according to the doctrines of their religion. Slave holders, White Supremacist. Five per centers, pedophiles, murders and many other evil people have called themselves Christians, but that is according to their own belief not that of God. What I am trying to say is that at the end of the day it is the intent in your heart that tells God who you really are. A religious person does not have to agree with everything that you do and every decision that you make in life, but they do have to understand. When they begin to cast judgment, they begin to tell you a lot about themselves, but definitely not God. God understands the morality of human beings. He loves without questions. That’s why he sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. He knows that we are mortal, and we make mistakes like any other human being. When people begin to question who you are, they begin to question God and the purpose that he has for your life. If the decision that your grandmother made for you hurts you at least one bit, I need you to understand that God does not hold you accountable for that. Whether you believe or not, he loves you and he will continue to love you because he made you. Baby, the world will tear you down just as quickly as it will build you up. As you get older, you will experience all sorts of things with different people; Christians, atheist, Muslims, and so on. Don’t let any them determine your fate.
Thanks.
My ideas about abortion changed very little after I quit believing in god. I already was pro-choice as a Christian, and then once I didn’t believe in souls any more, that pretty much cemented my position on abortion (since if there is no soul, then human life can’t be defined as “starting” anywhere earlier than the third trimester). I have heard pregnancy called slavery, and I have to say I like the argument. What else do you call it when another entity takes control over my body, time, resources, choice, medical care, etc? Slavery. And since I have the right to defend myself and my freedom from any person, I don’t see the use in saying I can’t defend myself against a fetus. I am still waiting for the day when an anti-choicer demands that I answer “when does life begin?” because first off, I will say “3.5 billion years ago”
and second I will make them define slavery. We’ll see how that goes.
I am sorry that you were forced into getting an abortion, but I am glad that you do not regret it. Are you angry with your grandmother or are you glad she made the decision for you?
Thanks for your comment, makes perfect sense. Now that I think about it, I don’t know if I’m happy she did or mad that she did. I mean it was already told to me that I didn’t want it so I went with it. I guess its a neutral feeling. The only thing I am mad about with her is that she had to go to the extreme by saying she was going to make up lies to get me arrested other than that I guess I’m not mad or happy.
In other words, getting mad about it now won’t really do anything, being happy won’t do anything either. If that makes sense.
Makes perfect sense. Very pragmatic of you.
Thank you and thanks for understanding.